System edited: After reading a few cable threads here, I decided to trade the Solo Crystal Oval that was between the DAC-1 and the TLC-1 to Discovery Essence with Cardas Silver RCAs. This was done in order to hear if the system would present a less "forward" sound. I did experience a less forward sounding and more "laid back" sound. I probably don't have to tell you what a good sound system sounds like, hehe. I won't use all of the adjectives frequently used to describe them. You have to take my word for it that the cable change made music sound even "better" than before. Really enjoying it...

waxwaves March 15, 2013 00:43

The AP Oval 12 are definately better in this system, sounds just right. I thought maybe the Hales Revelation 3 were designed around 12 ga speaker wire? But, I'm not sure that conclusion has any validity. You are probably correct about the amp. It is driving difficult load in the 86.5 db 4 ohm Hales. Maybe the amp peters out just a bit with the bigger gauge Analysis Plus cabling and inefficient speakers? It certainly is an interesting topic. Thanks again for your input sir!

waxwaves March 08, 2013 04:37

No,if they sound better they are better, every system is a law unto its self and its your ears.12's probaly suit your amp better, when I got my new Van Alstine Synergy 450 my 12's sounded better.Actually the amp of course which is about twice as many watts per side as my old amp.

schubert March 08, 2013 03:20

Hey Schubert, appreciate your input sir. I wish you good luck with the Hales search! A fine choice of loudspeaker IMO...;) I think they sound so good. Others seem to really enjoy them as well, some even say so. I agree that shipping these is sketchy at best. I got lucky...drove to Hickory, NC and picked mine up.

Funny you mentioned upgrading the APs. Here's the situation. I have sitting here now, a 6ft pair of Oval 9 with T1s. I have used Oval 9 for the last 6 years. On the other hand, I have this really nice looking pair of Oval 12 with basic spade connectors. What I mean by "nice looking" is the copper appears exceptionally bright and clean. Anyway, sold my 8 ft pair of Oval 9 in order to "upgrade" to a 6ft pair, and that's when I inserted the Oval 12 into the system while waiting for the new cable. I was suprised to find the 12 sounded better to me in this system. This phenomenon I can not explain. I know some members might laugh at that statement, but it's true. These 12s have such an amazing quality. I always really enjoyed the 9s, and most agree they are the better cable. Maybe I should put them back in and try again?

waxwaves March 08, 2013 01:34

It's all good Adam, thank you ! About the only thing I MIGHT change if it were my system would be to move up higher in the AP speaker cable line.
That said, I use Oval 12 in my maggy MMG system with good results.
I LOVE Hales, been looking for some within P/U distance (300 miles) of western WI with no luck so far. Keep hoping some will turn up in Twin Cities which are about 90 miles away.BTW, I used to teach in Hales Corners , WI -LOL.

schubert March 07, 2013 15:09

Hello Schubert
Wow, near perfect...that's big words man! Thanks a lot! First of all, I can say that since I have had this system up and running, I've experienced my favorite music sounding better than ever. Secondly, I have been a McCormack fan since spending some time with a stock DNA-1 a few years back. I realized quick that the more McCormack gear I added, the better the music began to sound. I think the Hales have allowed me to hear recordings just a notch or two closer to perfect as well. It took some time to place these speakers properly in the room, but when correct they are amazing. Finally, after auditioning many cables and configurations of cable in this system, the Solo Crystal Oval ics and Oval 12 speaker cable really made an impression on me. Best cable for the $$ that I have heard so far. Hey BTW Schubert, my parents were both teachers who are now also enjoying retirement! All the best to you buddy -Adam

waxwaves March 06, 2013 23:51

You need no help whatsovever, a near perfect system IMHO !
AP oval Ic's are a killer recent addition to my old retired teachers system.

schubert March 06, 2013 22:37

Thank you very much Dan, I appreciate your kind words! I'm glad you like the setup, it is the source of much enjoyment around here. I had to eat a lot of peanut butter sandwiches but it was worth it. Nowadays, I am much more obsessed with listening to music than with all the great audio gear out there. I'm still itching for those SMcAudio upgrades though...;)

waxwaves March 06, 2013 22:36

As a retired blue-collar guy, I understand your situation. Like you, I've had to do more with less than many enthusiasts, but that didn't deter me any.

I like what you have done, in that doing things yourself is a great, and rewarding way to stretch your budget, and get more enjoyment out of the hobby (or obsession).

More power to you, hope you continue to have many years of pleasureable listening.

Best regards,
Dan

islandmandan March 06, 2013 22:05