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"1st year anniversary system. I was drawn into the audio world around August 2010 and after a year of reading and listening this is where I ended up. The goal is not, as the title suggests, to have SOTA sound but rather to assemble a decent system for a decent price.

No plans for changes but different more efficient speakers might be on the horizon."

I wrote that in 2011. The goal remains the same in 2014, but since I can no longer be said to be 'getting started' I've moved the page to 'budget minded'(which I certainly am). The move is also precipitated by a shift in emphasis: am looking to capture the full dynamic swings of classical music as well as the rhythmic swings of jazz--my two primary genres. Therefore, the move to a bigger amp (soon) feeding a power hungry speaker.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 23’ × 16’  Large
Ceiling: 12’


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    • JVC TT 101
    direct drive; double bi-directional servo; electronic pitch control: awesome tt
    • Victor tt 801
    Direct drive turntable, the final iteration of the tt series. Far less complex circuit boards but comes with the same functionality as the spectacularly complex tt 101 plus the option of vacuum suction.
    • Eminent Technology ET-2
    air bearing arm with carbon fiber arm wand; w/custom Discovery Cable wire loom. Mounted on stainless pod.
    • Eminent Technology ET-2.5
    w/ heavy magnesium arm wand and standard pressure manifold designed for Takatsuki pump at 3.6psi
    • Beveridge Audio RM-1/2
    12 tube pre-amp with separate power supply (rm-2). 6dj8 circuit designed by Roger Modjesky. Has neat features such as phase inversion, stereo to mono blending, and a tuoch sensitive mute function.
    • Music Reference RM-9
    with mk2 choke and cap mod. siemens el 34's and RAM kt 88's; gild lion reissue 6922 in v1 position
    • B&W Matrix 801 s3
    the tombstones; aka, the bane of my wife's existence
    • Technics epa 100 mk2 *sold*
    boron arm with very low friction ruby bearings and VTA on the fly. Near universal arm.
    • Denon DA-305
    broadcast arm holding my denon 103 cart.
    • Technics SP-10 mkII *SOLD*
    'Nuded' direct drive sitting on custom machined footers.
    • empire 4000diii
    MM cart
    • azden ym p50vl
    a great cart mounted in an Orsonic headshell
    • Astatic MF 200
    MM. Brilliant with very real, embodied presentation. Oyaide 5n silver leads and technics boron headshell
    • audio technica 20ss
    Hybrid: AT 20ss stylus housed in a AT 15sla cart and mounted in an AT ls12 headshell. Ikeda silver leads.
    • audio technica at155lc
    Hybrid: AT stylus housed in a signet 5ea cartridge and mounted in the original boron headshell for the epa arm.
    • shure n140he
    the snow plow cart. Sounds better with the plow up. Mounted in an Audio Technica headshell.
    • azden ym p20e
    mm cart.
    • Denon 103
    the classic MC cart. my first vinyl cartridge mounted in a LP Gear zupreme headshell.
    • Lightspeed Attenuator LDR volume control
    Passive pre. One input. Incredible sound. If you believe a passive can't be dynamic, audition this one.
    • Music Reference RM-10 *SOLD*
    mk2. Roger Modjeski's masterpiece. Using NOS GE el84 tubes
    • Grover Huffman zx phono cables
    rca-rca for epa arm. Great sounding and deep dark quiet. A bargain.
    • Audio Technica 616 footer
    Great, but expensive and rare, pneumatic footers.
    • Mirko custom tonearm pod
    Custom machined to house technics epa 100 arm. Weighs 16lbs and sits on spikes which screw in/out for leveling. Because of tonearm design, mounting screws are drilled from bottom up.
    • Mint Lp protractor protractor
    Good protractor; easy to use.
    • Audio Technica AT 605 footers
    3 footers supporting Music Reference amp
    • ikeda and kondo headshell leads
    silver leads constructed by the most excellent Audio Origami; very pliable and easy to work with--but delicate.
    • Herbie's Tenderfoots
    good for light duty, although its effects are rather subtle depending on context
    • custom footers
    Four 4" stainless steel footers underneath sp10, courtesy a'gon member Ct0517.
    • EAR ISODAMP SD sd125
    Self-adhesive semi-rigid damping sheets used to dampen the metal motor cover of tt. Cut into strips and applied wherever there isn't venting holes.
    • Jasmine LP2.5DU MM/MC Phono
    solid state, unique in that it can take two mm arms or two mc arms or one of each; gain for mm is high
    • Surgex sx 1115
    8 outlet no MOV surge protector; makes no difference in sound that I can detect
    • Oyaide hsr-ag 5n silver headshell leads
    surprising how much of a difference these make; stiff and a bit hard to work with
    • Victor x-1/ii mm cartridge
    TOTL Victor MM cartridge: aluminum cantilever, shibata tip(Jico). On a victor/jvc ph-8 headshell w/kondo silver tags. I owned the original stylus (beryllium cantilver) but stupidly broke it.
    • oyaide tunami
    power cord. the connector barely fits on the rm10. benefits: perhaps a lower sound floor but nothing startling. first tried on phono stage and noted no difference.
    • analysis plus solo crystal and silver oval-in
    between baf and preamp, and preamp and amp.
    • Teradak U9VA Linear Low noise Power Supply
    to power the Lightspeed Attenuator. sitting on ebony cones courtesy of A&B Systems HK
    • JVC ph-8 headshell
    10g hs
    • Signet sk305
    electronic stylus cleaner
    • 47 Laboratory Deerskin Platter Mat
    very thin and incredibly supple
    • audio technica at 636
    pneumatic insulators: 6-36kg load; useful and relatively easy to acquire, unlike its brother, the 616.
    • Discovery tonearm wire
    custom made by Discovery Cable, 45
    • victor pigskin platter mat
    NOS. Was an optional accessory for the tt101. Two sided: pic is of the sueded side; the other side is completely smooth, almost like rubber. Never seen anything like it.
    • victor pigskin platter mat
    smooth side
    • astatic mf 2501 w/ mf300 stylus
    NOS moving flux, titanium bonded elliptical stylus;
    • Maughan Box Listen Up
    Bass alignment filter for B&W 801's: flat to 20hz; cuts off somewhere? below that to prevent woofer pumping due to record warps. Definitely works to do the latter.
    • fabreeka iso 24A
    pneumatic isolation platform
    • timeter pcs 414
    w/ wob-l motor; for the et2 arm
    • makeshift aligment jig
    for et2 arm, inscribed on the back of a mint lp protractor
    • parker 14e mini filter/regulator
    for et2 arm; marshall 0-15psi gauge
    • victor/jvc dt x1ii stylus
    'natural diamond'; beryllium cantilever and tension wire
    • acutex M420str
    tri-radial diamond, MM
    • victor/jvc z1s
    z1s with rare shibata z1s stylus designed to 4 channel systems
    • neotech nei 3001
    custom made by the guys at sonic craft using furutech fp 120 rca's, used to connect stage with baf.
    • TTM Oil damped Stabilizer
    record weight, 770g.
    • tt 101 bearing grooves victor
    grooves caused by friction at contact point?
    • Sony TA-E88
    w.phonostage, equipped with very flexible MM loading options: 10k-100kohm (in 10k increments_ and 100-500 pF (in 100pF increments)
    • JVC /Victor tt 101 bearing well
    w/new /SiNi bearing ball
    • zyx silver wire loom custom
    tonearm wire loom, 1877 rhodium clips, zyx silver wire and xhadow rca's. wire is incredibly flexible, perfect imo for use with the et2 tonearm.
    • TTM Mat 2
    3kg and 6mm high stainless steel mat with 'tuning' holes; designed to be paired with TTM's oil damped weight
    • Timeter aridyne 2000
    provides 50psi of dry air through each of 3 on demand outlets. Used to run et 2 arm and fabreeka pneumatic platform
    • JVC Victor Laboratory eq 7070
    phono pre that can accommodate 3 arms; variable loading for MM carts
    • Victor GTT 3000B
    glass platter mat to be used in conjunction with victor pigskin sheet

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Hi Banquo
How do you like the 801's firing down the long wall ?

ct0517

I'm truly happy wth my matrix 801 speakers, but I would like to have a SS amp with some serious muscle just to catch glimpse of the 801's so far untapped power. So, if a pair of these ever crossed my path and didn't require I mortgage my house or divorce my lovely wife, I'd probably jump on them.


Banquo - from my own experiences big SS amp/s on the 801's will move you from the 15th row to the 5th. But it may also put you out into the garage permanently with your wife due to bass seepage. So be careful what you wish for.

This has been my experience with the 801's.
Imagine listening to a 4-5 person music ensemble in a medium size venue like a Jazz Bar. Think of what the drums would be like if sitting 5-10 feet away from the drummer, and then 20 feet away. That's the kind of impact the SS amps will have to the bass with the 801's.
In your chest...

Now for mids and tweeters; for me a real good SS amp will try to match the sweetness of tubes.
I would ensure any SS amp purchase if vintage has had its electronics/capacitors checked out and performing as designed.
If not the very revealing 801's will show the amps shortcoming - especially weak capacitors that cannot hold their charge and the result will be "harsh" sounding and weak bass. If the capacitors are good the bass will be full and overall the music rounded out. Not too lean or bloated. Also ensure any vintage design can be worked on by someone local to you first - or be ready for a potential head ache down the road.

ct0517

BEAUTY

Now Halcro ..are you not concerned about aesthetics AT ALL. I mean come on. You're an architect man. Does the contorted positioning of your cartridge and its affects not bother you at all ?

I see no such contortions in pics of your Taj Mahal reference.

Enjoy your vacation Henry. :^)

imo - both you guys do have common DNA happening with your turntables. No doubt there.
Question I have. Is this "Form over Function" ?

As opposed to your ET 2 & 2.5 tonearms Banquo - which are "Form follows Function" imo.

Banquo so you were able to go from a 12 foot cable length down to 3 foot. Well done. Only in this audio hobby that I can think of, does shorter length equate to better ?

ct0517

..,cutting a rather large hole through the living room wall. I don’t dare tell my wife

Banquo - how in the world are you going to keep that from her ? I thought I was good at hiding things, then it dawned on me. Didn't you recently install curtains? Am I correct to assume they are proving beneficial in more ways than just sonically ?

You mentioned Sonic Craft. I was curious so I looked them up. Wow..how do they stay in business with an 88% off sale ?

ct0517

This is a well traveled cart: started in Italy, then So. California, then Toronto, then Florida, back to Toronto, then to the embrace of its final resting place, my ET-2 arm.

Too bad you can't collect on those travel points.

ct0517

Oh I hear you Banquo. I have just always done VTA changes by ear. I even removed the stock ET2 VTA dial gauges on my arms. We should note also that some cartridge/stylus profiles make VTA adjustments not required as often. It is imo a more rounded sound, but many like this. Some even call this more musical, less Hi Fi and just get into the music more not worrying about so many VTA changes. Hey different strokes. Just another example imo of the beauty of analog over digital. Individual tailoring. But it still all depends on proper setup.

ct0517

Now I can carry on with my neurotic habit of writing down the optimal vta for each cartridge and album.

If I had to actually write something down for this hobby, it wouldn't be my hobby for very long. That sounds like way too much work to me. I say this to you as a certified PMP :^)

ct0517

Banquo - Just a thought. I am thinking the air compressor may be introducing noise into the system ? Mute the system and lower the arm without the air compressor running then unmute. Is there still buzz ?

ct0517

Especially when my wife walked into my room, looked at the external compressor regulator/gauge and said "It looks like a bomb"

too funny .. I can just hear her conversations with her friends.

"You won't believe what he has set up now....in addition to the record player with the exposed insides, there is now tubing going half way through our house, a hanging bottle with numbers on it, even wires hanging from our beloved wall. The only good thing I think, is that he has started praying again the last few nights."

:^)

ct0517

Did your wife notice the air pressure gauge on the wall ? Its a good thing your dog is past the teething stage or I would fear for your ET2 lifeline.

Congrats on getting the initial setup done Banquo. If I can use an analogy as in the sport of racing; once you have had your first good run with this ET2, I found things can become addictive as there is much to learn and tweak and its all wide open access. You can venture more into the arm setup/mechanics, air supply/pump, or the wiring design further. The good thing is this is all for the most part DIY and you are not forced to purchase overpriced, over hyped audiophile products :^) to get there. You are already on the fast track with the wiring setup. Looking at your system page you came up with a neat DIY alignment jig based on your Mint. Great idea. Consider modifying it to force the ET2 to walk a really fine thin line. You will really hear the difference. Some other things that come to mind for future if your are looking for ideas. lol. Consider making a solid mass one material armpod (Brass/Aluminum) that will allow the three aluminum spiked Et2 legs to drain energy. The Pump is a wildcard - more time is needed to determine if your pump is an Ace or Joker but based on your Timeter's reputation in the medical world I'll bet on the former. Wiring - once noise has been reduced - I would split out the two wires going to wall from the armtube into four separate strands. This will make them that much more pliable with less resistance.

As Henry I enjoy seeing your rig progress and all the "fun" you are having.

up to my ears in puppy training....:^(

ct0517

Banquo you are forgetting your other speaker blood brother on your thread ...
Vegasears also owns 801 (who I still feel has the best moniker on audiogon)

I am now living with 'the tombstones' as my wife derisively calls the B&w 801's.

Well I have never heard them called that before. thats a new one :^)
I guess as long as she's not thinking of your tombstone; when she calls them that - you're ok and have nothing to worry about ?
Bit of a coincidence as I have told my my wife to just make one coffin out of both 801 many times when the time comes.
All females that see them seem to think that they represent evil and no good anyway - thats been my experience.
there is no sugar coating this thing.

I can't really imagine moving the tombstones once spiked.

You will score points with your wife if you keep them on castors, and when not in use place them up against the wall.
This will help with the transition. 801 Tip # 8
Cheers

ct0517

Nice job on the Discovery wire Banquo. I just saw the pic.

The exposed tonearm wire alongside the exposed guts of the victor make my system look like a spawn of the great George Pompidou Center in Paris.

You made me have to google the GP Center in Paris

:^) ..... hah !

ct0517

One condition is that they must be small in diameter (in order to fit inside the pod) yet large enough to work with analysis plus cables. Anyone have any ideas?

Banquo - there is an alternative but you need to think outside the box (armpod) on this one.
My recommendation is to bypass your beautiful armpod and go from the clips direct into the phono stage.

Otherwise with audiophilia you may end up with 10 pairs of interconnects hanging somewhere.

The approach I am recommending means one set of wires, You can experiment between copper and silver and port them from one tonearm to another when the need arises.
What is in this
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including the WBT nextgens was $250 in total.

How strong is the RF in your room? Does your cell phone work really well. If so you can go with a partly sheilded cable.

Just a thought...

Cheers

ct0517

Capacitors can be really funny things.
Some observations.
When my Studer lost power the tech thought it was the 4 large power supply capacitors for sure that needed replacing.
He had new ones set aside when I arrived.
When he checked them they were in perfect shape - the right voltage - made in West Germany.
it turned out to be another transistor part that went down and needed replacing.
Finding the problem is where his experience with the machine was invaluable.

Another example is my first real amp which is an Onkyo 5060r and I bought it new way back. A dual mono design.
It was recently checked and it came out fine as well.

In talking with another tech he had a bunch of flat screens in for repair.
Turns out that an Achilles heel with these TV's are the capacitors - they have only been lasting four years.

One more example. My Classe CA300 which I recently sold.
In talking with Classe they only purchase 25 capacitors from their source at a time used for repairs and restores.
This is because they have a shelf life.
Their amps I was told by the tech should not be left on 24/7, as it causes shortened life for the capacitors.

ct0517

I think the choice of platter mat...or not....is dependent on the turntable?

Henry - Yes I agree.

The TT-101 however...has a slight lip around the platter which prevents the record from sitting directly on the aluminium surface.
With that arrangement....it becomes purely a CHOICE of mats....

Ahh ! I was not aware of that. that explains all the activity around "skins" ? :^)

I am curious to know what the underside of the Victor platter looks like, specifically the weight distribution in a design that does not use a heavy platter. For example.

Here is the Jean Nantais Custom Lenco Platter

http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/CT-993/media/JNLencoPlatter_zpsb616b917.jpg.html

The top pic shows the thick metacrylate plate. It could probably considered a platter onto itself.
The bottom pic. See how the rim is much much thicker - a genius design imo from those that created the Lenco.
This provides for momentum.
The whole thing weighs quite a bit but have not weighed it.

Can I see a pic of the underside of the Victor platter ?

Someone just started a thread on wood versus metal tonearms. Maybe a thread on platter design / types ?

ct0517

Hi Banquo - I agree with you. and also I feel
Mr. Verdier gave me a good manufacturer's answer.
I guess he doesn't sell platter mats; or I am thinking he would have recommended one ?
I am getting real close to tape with the stock platter so I am happy with it and have not been tempted.
I did try the sp10 copper platter on it quite a while back when I was still figuring it out.
The riddle was meant for a little fun; poking fun at commitment.
once you glu-eee there is no return -eee...

Remember crazy gluing cartridge styluses holders to their bodies ?
My empire 4000d is crazy glued. She's mine for life.
If a mat showed up at my door I would try it to hear its effects.
Cheers

ct0517

Hi Henry - thats interesting about the pigskin mat. Have never felt a need to use a mat with the Platine. But I was curious so I asked JC Verdier his thoughts on it;

If I was curious to try one, which he would recommend. He answered me today.

"I always recommend to use the turntable without mat"
JC Verdier

With that I do have a copper mat for the SP10.

I asked a platter mat riddle on another thread, and I was disappointed with no guesses from anyone? So Banquo I hope you don't mind if I ask the riddle here again ? ...but this time with the riddle answer supplied....

How do you know when someone "really" loves their platter mat ?

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They bond it permanently to the platter. :^)

My Jean Nantais Lenco is this way with its metacrylate plate.
Cheers

ct0517

Banquo and Halcro - Just thinking out loud. I use a chamois made of I believe lamb/sheep to dry off my car after washing. It is able to hold alot of water. When dry it is very hard and not bendable. Are any of these audiophile "skins" treated and not affected by room humidity. humidity would change their composition and therefore how they react to whats on them ? You may prefer them better at a certain humidity. cheers

ct0517

At the time I was changing out wires on the ET2 which was on an armpod. I should have removed the cartridge when I brought it to the work table 20 ft away. When it got clipped I made myself feel better by saying - well it was a 5 year old cartridge and was due for a retip . The real downer - was Peter saying it was not retip-able/repairable due to suspension damage (well lets say it was work he was not interested in doing anyway) I sent Hi rez pics to Axel in Germany and he said no problem it could be fixed. It took a long time and if you recall he was waiting on a bolt that he ended up making himself to complete the job. I can't recommend him enough - but I hear he is quite busy these days too.

ct0517

but I had some unquenchable and inexplicable desire to try out the Jico stylus. In taking out the old one I clumsily broke its plug.

Hi Banquo - of all things audio I think I hate handling cartridges the most. probably because of my knobby fingers.
so they usually stay on for quite a while if they are delivering to expectations.
I beheaded an XV1 once if you recall. A pivotal moment - my audio soul left me for a while and did not return in whole till Axel rebuilt the cartridge for me and it was returned. But the event still lingers and I am sure contributes to my comments.
I hope sending the cart to Andy works out. As Peter at SS is so busy, and Axel is across the pond; I look forward to hearing of the results and Andy as a good alternative.

Cheers

ct0517

Thanks for sharing the journey banquo.
Love the shot of your canine audiophile. He appears in a trance from your music. :)
Brings me memories of my old black lab buddy.
Cheers.

ct0517

Sweet looking setup ...enjoy the tunes Banquo....

ct0517

Nice job on the sandbox Banquo. I just saw your system pic.
For me - Improvements in sound based on DIY bring alot of satisfaction. The knowledge gained along the way is priceless. I also feel vinyl people would trade in their analog rigs for other rigs less frequently, if they would just get structure feedback under control.

Cheers

ct0517

Hi Banquo

My first tube component was a an ARC SP8 MK II Preamp. I still kick myself for selling it. It started me on the tube rolling. I amassed a large number of tubes - most of them NOS. Crazy was the feeling when winning an ebay bid for a set of matched tubes. I even bought a tube tester but rarely use it.

Incredible how much different tubes change the sound. Like changing a cartridge.

Happy Tube Rolling !

ct0517

Congratulations Banquo - love the gear especially those wonderful looking Armpods ! Glad u finally got the SP10 going. Please don't ever sell that amp without contacting me first. It would go great with my Quad 57's. :^)

Cheers Chris

ct0517